Pacquiao Steroid Allegations Hold Up Super-fight

Where there is smoke, there’s usually a fire.

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Now I’m not saying he did, and I’m not saying he didn’t, but I do know that quite possibly, the biggest fight in the history of boxing is being held up by a few drops of blood. In the past few weeks, Filipino boxing sensation Manny Pacquiao and his team have effectively halted all further negotiations of a potential megafight with his Pound-for-Pound rival Floyd Mayweather Jr., due to demands of Olympic-style drug testing. Now before we get to the rumors, let’s start with the facts.

Traditionally the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) test combatants for Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) through urine analysis and at best, a couple of scheduled blood tests. The problem is that many PEDs are not detectable through urine and can be effectively cycled out of the blood stream if the test dates are known in advance. Therefore, Team Mayweather is requesting random Olympic style testing from the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) of both urine and blood. Now, onto the controversy.

First, Mayweather is not scared of Manny Pacquiao. Of all my years as a boxing fan, from his methodical destruction of Diego Corrales to his latest shutout performance against Juan Manuel Marquez, this is by far the fastest I’ve ever seen Mayweather concede to conditions of a fight. First were the rumblings of a 154lb class, and the use of bulkier 10oz gloves. Both those demands were quickly batted down as Mayweather almost instantly conceded to a 147lb limit, 8 oz gloves and even a ridiculous $10 million dollar penalty fee for each pound overweighed on the day of the weigh-in. What’s most surprising is the concession to the purse split, as a 50/50 split was immediately agreed upon; something neither party has ever done with such haste.

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The real question is why Pacquiao refuses to agree to these drug tests. With an estimated $40 million dollar purse for each fighter looming on the horizon, you have to ask yourself, how much can a few drops of blood mean if a fighter isn’t hiding anything? First came the excuse of Pacquiao’s phobia of needles, yet there is video evidence of the tattooed boxer taking a blood test with relative ease fourteen days before his bout with Ricky Hatton. Then came the argument that taking blood so close to the bout would weaken the fighter, yet the amount of blood taken by the USADA is less than a tablespoon and have been commonly practiced on athletes during the Olympic games without adverse effect on athletic performance. Furthermore, Mayweather has agreed to subject himself to the same tests, so if there is indeed an issue of “weakening”, neither party would be at an advantage.

Now I’m just as disappointed as the next fight fan. Part of me wishes that both sides would put their egos aside and just fight. But at the same time, I don’t believe Mayweather’s demands are unreasonable, at least not any more unreasonable than a title fight being stipulated at a catch-weight or the replacement of a referee because of the shared ethnic background of the opponent – two demands Pacquiao has made for previous bouts. In a competitive sport like boxing where steroid and PED abuse has occurred in the past, a move towards a stricter testing policy is not outside the realm of reason and should be considered a standard, not an exception.

My hope is that all this is merely marketing buildup by the promoters and that these two eventually face each other in the squared circle. But if there are indeed legitimate concerns behind the demands of testing, the entire denial fiasco is making it pretty damn suspicious for “Pacman”, and well, as the old saying goes, where there’s smoke, there’s usually a fire.

  • NW boxing fan

    I can’t believe the IE allows such lazy, speculative journalism such as this. There is absolutely NO evidence linking Manny Pacquiao to PEDs (Performance Enhancing Drugs) EVER. There is no doubt in my mind that Pacquiao has been and will always be a clean fighter. Nick, Manny is a person of character who fights for more than just money and fame. He lifts up Filipinos all around the world, embodying the pride and integrity of an entire people. Please, stop trying to bring down the first API to conquer a major sport in the modern era.

    Your irresponsible journalism floors me. Careful…or Pacquiao may sue you for defamation as well.

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Please, tell me where in the article that I stated that there is EVIDENCE linking Pacquiao to PEDs. Please, dispute any of the FACTS that I stated that pointed to my justified SUSPICION. Please answer my question as to why Manny Pacquiao, who is looking at a career high pay day of 40 MILLION DOLLARS, is refusing to take a blood test that OLYMPIC ATHLETES are bound to.

    If Pacquiao has such character and if fighting for more than just money and fame as you say he is, why does he not concede to the same standards of the highest caliber of world competition we have. How exactly does refusing a move towards making the sport of boxing a CLEANER sport, a indication of character?

    And by the way, this is an OP-Ed, otherwise known as an OPINION Editorial, so please, get your journalism terms right before you start making uneducated insults.

    Oh the irony!

  • Keith

    Fantastic article Nick! You bring up very valid points. I can only hope my sons grow up to be as diligent, honest, and hardworking as you. Another fine article from a great writer.

  • Rich

    Blood tests, let alone Olympic-style drug testing, has never been used in any professional boxing fight…ever. Pacquiao is going to alter his training camp because of allegations stemming from Mayweather Sr.? For Mayweather Jr.’s mind games?

    Yes, both sides will have to go through the same testing. Who cares about Mayweather’s camp? He’s gone through this before anyway in the Olympics. Pacquiao is worried about his camp. Olympic-style drug testing can be intrusive, excessive, and unnecessary. Ask Asafa Powell and he’ll tell you how bad it is.

    Let’s not forget, Pacquiao is already willing to go above the normal regulations of blood testing. Let’s also not forget who’s the one not willing to compromise. Have you even read closely what Mayweather was pushing for in the fight? 154, a weight class Pacquiao had not previously fought at and where both of them aren’t even ranked. 10oz gloves, which Mayweather didn’t wear for the Marquez bout and complained about in the De La Hoya fight. 50-50 purse split…after retiring for two years and fighting the lightweight champion at welterweight, do you think he deserves a bigger share? $10 million penalty…there was precedent with Mayweather restructuring the contract and paying an easy $600,000 to Marquez for being overweight instead of being given an allotted time to lose the weight.

    And the Olympics may have the highest caliber of world competition…except boxing. Boxing in the Olympics is for amateurs only. Professional boxing is the highest caliber for the sport of boxing.

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Rich, thank you for posting a reasonable response actually based on what I wrote, but I still disagree.

    Just because Olympic style-drug testing has never been used, it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be implemented. Suspicious PED usage has been prevalent in the sport’s past, i.e. Shane Mosley, Fernando Vargas, Evander Holyfield, which is why I don’t think a move towards stricter testing policies as a bad thing.

    And sure, Pacquiao did concede to the original NSAC rules, but again, because there have been so many recorded cases of fighters slipping through the loopholes, my whole argument is that the NSAC procedures aren’t enough.

    Have you even read my article where I address BOTH those demands of 154 and 10oz gloves, yet Mayweather quickly conceded to 147 and 8oz gloves, so fast, that it was hardly an issue. True, Mayweather came in the contracted weight for the Marquez fight, but a $10 million dollar fine is ridiculous, yet Mayweather agreed, most likely, because he’s sure it won’t happen. And you talk about Pacquiao never fighting at 154, which is true, but then why is he considering the 154 titlist Yuri Foreman as his next opponent?

    “Professional boxing is the highest caliber for the sport of boxing.” I’m guessing you’re speaking on how it is now. Well, it may be for you, but why is it that the amateur ranks of the sport has LESS occurrence of PED abuse than the professional ranks? Shouldn’t, by definition, the professional version have a cleaner and stricter policy than it’s amateur counterpart? I just don’t see how a move towards PREVENTING cheating is being framed as a bad thing.

  • Rich

    For the record, on the cases you mentioned, Vargas WAS CAUGHT by the NSAC. Holyfield is still under investigation. Mosley was not caught by the NSAC.

    Let’s turn to the Olympics and their drug testing. Look these names up…Ben Johnson, Chinese Swimming Team in the Barcelona Olympics, Michelle Smith, and Marion Jones. None of them were caught by any Olympic drug testing committee and all of their names are linked to performance enhancing drugs. The NSAC is supposed to alter their rules for tests like theirs? Has the thought ever occurred that there is a less occurrence of PED use because their tests can’t catch anyone? If you’re not catching people either, why put in a test that athletes feel drain them? It’s fine to call for better drug testing procedures, but you do it through any state’s athletic commission. You don’t put it into a fight contract. It’s spitting in the face of your opponent’s career. And I hope from now on, you and everyone who reads this doesn’t put the Olympics drug testing policy on a high platform.

    Look at Mayweather’s demands and where they settled. Do you want to just sit there and tell me they were all entirely reasonable? Hell no. The public would have hanged him if the fight was called off for those demands. The penalty of $10 million could’ve been $1 million or $20 million. THERE WAS PRECEDENT TO CALL FOR A STRICTER PENALTY. As for Foreman, Pacquiao wouldn’t even be fighting back down at 140 or another welterweight if Foreman didn’t have a title. Then you have the reports coming in that Pacquiao will fight Clottey anyway (#5 on The Ring’s Welterweight Contenders List).

    In addition, be careful of the line you tread in the public. If you’re so eager to press Pacquiao to take Olympic-style drug testing based solely on his accomplishments, you’re looking at a witch hunt until finally, no one is safe. Let’s remember, none of America’s sports organizations use blood testing either. Are you ready to question all of their accomplishments? Sadly, this is the age we live in. America loves its sports, but once anyone accomplishes something, we accuse that athlete of doping without evidence because we’re not a fan of him or he’s become historically good. We don’t even question ourselves that if the sports we watch are filled with PED abusers, why the hell do we watch it in the first place? On the case of boxing in Nevada, the NSAC has been doing drug testing in the last 40 years for every single fight. Are you willing to go after every accomplished fighter who has boxed in Nevada? Are you willing to go down that line?

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Vargas was caught AFTER the fight so clearly the NSAC did not take the necessary measures to prevent it from happening before the bout, when it actually mattered. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was recently caught for a diuretic, a masking agent for steroids, the same one that Ricardo Mayorga was caught using years ago. I could go on and list endless examples, but the point is that the NSAC standards are not flawless. Clearly PED usage has somehow slipped through the cracks, so how exactly is a demand to change those standards a bad thing?

    I never said the USADA testing standards are flawless, I just know that they test both urine AND blood, RANDOMLY, which are the important factors going on in this case. So are the Olympic style testing procedures perfect? No. Are they better than the NSAC? Probably.

    The 154lb limit was unreasonable. The 10oz gloves was semi-unreasonable because 10oz gloves are allowed for that weight class. But I truly believe those were just negotiation ploys to get into the head of Manny Pacquiao since they were quickly settled with hardly an eek from the Mayweather camp. Let’s not forget Pacquiao’s unprecedented demand of a title fight being stipulated at a catch-weight or him requesting a replacement for Joe Cortez because he was Puerto Rican like Miguel Cotto. Yet when Mayweather calls for a blood test, something that is not outside the realm of reason in a sport that has had a history of cheating, suddenly he’s being unreasonable?

    See you’re making jumps of logic. Just because I say one fighter should take a test, suddenly I want everyone to? That is a baseless assumption. First of all, I never really questioned Pacquiao’s accomplishments until his adamant refusal to do the tests. If he has nothing to hide, why would he turn down a career high payday, make all these bogus excuses, and NOW file a defamation suit in reaction to the tests? He wasn’t filing a defamation suit when Mayweather Sr. first made the accusations back in November. He’s not filing a suit against Paulie Malignaggi who said the EXACT SAME THINGS. His refusal is what makes it fishy for me, and in thinking about it, Pacquiao goes from going life and death with a featherweight Juan Manuel Marquez and Erik Morales, to DESTROYING one of the top welterweight contenders in 5 years. C’mon. You seriously don’t find that a bit, odd? I hate to say it, but when something’s too good to be true, it usually is.

  • Rich

    The NSAC caught Vargas and Chavez Jr.’s masking agent with their STANDARD tests, which is a urine test before and after the fight. Nevertheless, the NSAC CAUGHT them. PED usage didn’t slip through the cracks there.

    The big difference between urine and blood testing is blood tests for HGH. What’s the rate of caught HGH users? 0%. Either no athlete is using HGH or blood testing is flawed.

    Pacquiao can’t fight Cotto for his welterweight title because of a catchweight? To my knowledge, the welterweight class is ANYTHING below 147. Technically, a flyweight is in the welterweight class, but a welterweight is not in the flyweight class. Catchweights have also been used throughout boxing’s long history including greats like Henry Armstrong, Pancho Villa, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya…and all of a sudden it’s wrong for Pacquiao to fight at one? As for Joe Cortez, I’ll tell you flat out…HE SUCKS. See Mayweather-Hatton and Humberto Soto-Francisco Lorenzo. Why do you think Cotto was so willing to get another referee also? For the record, Cotto had no problem with the catchweight. He stated that before AND after the fight.

    Baseless assumptions…how about reading the second to last line of that last paragraph? Pacquiao was willing to let the baseless accusations go to get a Mayweather fight. When Mayweather’s camp insisted and would not back down to the point of a fight not being made, why not pursue a lawsuit to shut them up and get millions without throwing a punch? The lawsuit also states “Others may be named”. Again, Pacquiao is willing to compromise blood testing procedures, as intrusive, excessive, and unnecessary as they are, which is above and beyond normal regulations. His compromise, is above and beyond any drug testing ever performed in the history of professional boxing.

    And yes, if you accuse one fighter of taking performance enhancing drugs, why not accuse EVERYONE? Ask any athlete from the NBA, MLB, NFL, or NHL to submit to random blood testing and they’ll refuse because they’re protected by their Players’ Association’s policy. They’ll refuse, why don’t you question their top players’ accomplishments?

    Pacquiao’s first fight with Morales was nowhere near Pacquiao’s prime. Since Diaz, his right hand has been worked on extensively, making him the great two handed boxer we all see instead of the left handed brawler that was. His fight night weight also hasn’t drastically increased either. Mayweather and Pacquiao were both at 106 when they were 16 and Mayweather has a title as high as 154. So obviously, he’s using steroids. Oh but he’s the one asking for the test? Maybe he has a concealed PED. Take a look. This is what you’re becoming against Pacquiao. And let’s not forget, Pacquiao and Mayweather aren’t the first to go up in weight throughout their entire boxing careers.

    Conclusion: Mayweather ducks another fighter. Take a look at The Ring’s Top Welterweights. Add in Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron who were at/could still make 147 when Mayweather started at 147 in 2006. Then take a look at his resume and his rumored next opponents are. It’s a shame such talent is going to waste. What’s worse is that people are buying his hype.

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    If the NSAC caught Chavez Jr and Vargas before the fight, why were they still allowed to compete in the bouts in which they were caught using those substances? That makes absolutely no sense. Do you actually research your claims or do you just make them for the sake of your argument?

    And no, a flyweight is not in the welterweight class, they are in the flyweight class. The welterweight class is anything between 141 and 147. A fighter at 140 would be in the JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT class. A fighter at 135, though below 147, is in the LIGHTWEIGHT class. It’s all very simple really.

    Regardless, I found it to be ridiculous that Cotto, the CHAMPION, has to limit himself from coming within the NORMALLY ALLOWED welterweight limit of 147, for the challenger. If you want to fight for a welterweight belt, fight at welterweight.

    Why not accuse everyone? Because there is no just cause to accuse everyone. I’ve gone over and over and over why I have my suspicions, which you are entitled not to agree with, but I don’t hold those same suspicions of every single successful fighter, which is why I think it’s a ridiculous claim that I somehow want everyone to be tested.

    It also appears that you have no sense of boxing styles. Mayweather is a boxer/counterpuncher, Manny is a puncher/brawler. Mayweather outboxed and won a SPLIT DECISION over an aging ODLH at 154. Manny DISMANTLED a prime Cotto by going toe-to-toe. The comparisons are nowhere alike.

    And you’re right. Mayweather has taken the path of least resistance. His famed saying, “Legacy don’t pay the bills” clearly shows he’ll retire a fighter that could have been more. But I’m not talking about that. Furthermore, it doesn’t change anything I’m saying about Manny and quite honestly, I don’t think Mayweather is ducking in this instance. Not with that kind of money on the table. So please, stop using red herrings to avoid the conversation and twist my arguments.

    But I do agree with you about one thing. Joe Cortez DOES suck, but not because he’s Puerto Rican.

  • Rich

    Paragraph 1 – Do you have any idea how long a urinalysis takes?

    Paragraph 2 – A few examples: Ezzard Charles, a boxer in the classic light heavyweight division, fought Joe Louis for his heavyweight title while weighing in as a light heavyweight. Henry Armstrong held three titles simultaneously. A fighter can fight for a title without actually making that fight class’s weight.

    Paragraph 3 – See Paragraph 2

    Paragraph 4 – OH SNAP! Mayweather’s team accused Pacquiao of taking performance enchancing drugs WITHOUT just cause. A simple Pacquiao doesn’t want to fully embrace Olympic-style drug testing doesn’t mean Pacquiao is on performance enhancing drugs. I know…I’ve been over this also.

    Paragraph 5 – Sugar Ray Robinson started his amateur career at featherweight and had he not collapsed of heat exhaustion, would’ve won the light heavyweight title. Armstrong was amazing his entire career and he had 3 of the classic 8 belts. Roberto Duran, Marvin Haggler, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard…man you’re argument is really taking a beating with every name I mention…Willie Pep, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr….

    Paragraph 6 – Mayweather cares about three things before he gets into a fight. Record, risk, and money. He’ll try and gain some of those advantages before negotiations and picking his opponents. Don’t you think it’s certainly possible Mayweather didn’t want this fight at all?

    Paragraph 7 – Either way. Both teams knew Cortez’s record. They could’ve said they didn’t want him because he was white, black, or green as long as he wasn’t the referee.

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Haha. You are indeed a worthy sparring partner Rich.

    Point 1: Why does it matter how long a urinanalysis takes? The point is, a fighter was able to compete using a banned substance. It fell through the cracks because the fight happened when it shouldn’t have. Plain and simple.

    Point 2: Henry Armstrong did hold three titles simultaneously, but but he fought for those titles at different weights. Kelly Pavlik retained his middleweight belt in his loss from Bernard Hopkins at 170. Ricky Hatton retained his 140 status despite being KO’d by Mayweather at 147. That’s not even related to what I was talking about.

    Point 3: Again, those examples do not address the core issue of Cotto having to come in BELOW the established limit to defend his belt. You gave fine examples of fighters moving UP and even fighting opponents at higher weights for the belt, but give an example where a champion had to limit themselves weight-wise to defend their own belt.

    Point 4: I agree. Mayweather Sr’s accusations were outrageous and uncalled for WHEN HE FIRST MADE THEM, yet for some odd reason Team Pacquiao made NO attempt at defending themselves. Suddenly when they’re asking for blood tests it’s defamation? Why wasn’t it before? And I never said his refusal automatically means he’s on PEDs. That’s you jumping to conclusions AGAIN. But it does justify SUSPICION. Coupled with the other points I brought up, which you didn’t address, tell me why Manny is allowed to be so adamant against these tests?

    Point 5: Actually it isn’t. First because you’re comparing fighters that jumped different weight classes and didn’t do it in a time span of 5 years. Second, it proves nothing about what I said about boxing styles. All you did was pretty much name off a bunch of names without any proof you actually understand the styles of boxing. Not really what I would call “a beating”.

    Point 6: Actually no I don’t. In the past when he’s ducked fighters, ie. Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, Shane Mosley, he never even stepped to the negotiation table with them. He just made BS excuses to avoid them. “Who’s Margarito?” “Shane Mosley with 5 losses?” etc. They’re BS, but he never went beyond media releases. Also, with 40million dollars, his moniker of “Money” and him reportedly being bankrupt, doesn’t really sound like he would be “ducking” that kind of payday.

    Point 7: Actually no, they couldn’t. To evict someone of employment due to their ethnic background would be called a discriminatory prejudice. They could have used any reason in the book. Joe Cortez is senile, he’s has a bad track record, he just don’t pay attention, whatever, and it would have been more reasonable. Instead they pull the race card and say, “Well, Cotto is PR, Cortez is PR, so we don’t want him.” Not really the best reason yet Pacquiao is not chastised for it. I’m assuming in a hypothetical Mayweather matchup, he can deny the services of Kenny Bayless because he’s black right? Right.

    Overall, it seems like you’re a Pac fan trying to derail the conversation by running to unrelated arguments, and making excuse after excuse after excuse as to why he shouldn’t have to take a standardized blood test. All those fighters you mentioned in all your posts have not had a history of REFUSING TO TAKE TESTS. That is the key issue here: Pacquiao’s REFUSAL. Not his accomplishments, HIS REFUSAL.

  • Rich

    1 – Any athlete caught taking performance enhancing drugs will compete in their respective sports until they’re caught…even the Olympics. Until then, every athlete is innocent until proven guilty

    2 – Armstrong fought and for a good amount of fights when he held the welterweight title as a lightweight. Check boxrec. Kelly Pavlik retained his middleweight belt because the fight took place at light heavyweight. Hopkins can not fight at middleweight because he’s bound by the super middleweight FLOOR limit. Weight classes don’t provide ceilings. They provide floors between weight classes. Ricky Hatton could fight a heavyweight for a heavyweight’s title, but a heavyweight can’t fight below heavyweight because of the cruiserweight floor limit of 200 lbs. How do you not get this?

    3 – I just listed Armstrong. How about De La Hoya when he made Hopkins come in at a catchweight for the middleweight title? Sugar Ray Leonard used to pull off all sorts of catchweights for titles and some consider him a Top 10 fighter of all time.

    4 – Pacquiao doesn’t have to do any test not required of him. I already said he doesn’t want to alter his training camp based on accusations with no evidence by Mayweather Sr.. The people taking his blood can come break camp or visit his house. Pacquiao says he’s weakened by having blood drawn. Now it’s his camp’s responsibility to work around that? Yes, I know Mayweather will be going through the same testing, but Pacquiao’s team is worried what will be going on in Pacquiao’s camp, not Mayweather’s. Then Pacquiao is willing to give blood at the press conference, randomly with a cutoff of 24 days before the fight, and IMMEDIATELY after the fight. You tell me what drugs (keep in mind both NSAC and USADA test for the same drugs) can Pacquiao take that won’t be caught during that time. It’s a stupid request by Mayweather that Pacquiao’s team was willing to compromise on. Pacquiao’s team could’ve called for Mayweather to grow his hair to gather hair follicles. Yes, it’s just as stupid and Mayweather’s team will balk at it, but it’s “to level the playing field”.

    Point 5 – Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong fought in a time where junior and super weren’t part of every weight class like Pacquiao’s. They were fighting in 2 or 3 modern weight classes while defending one classic weight class’s belt. Those two with every other guy I mentioned scored KOs in their late 30s/early 40s against guys JUST entering their primes. That can’t be natural either, right? Pacquiao’s also in his prime and nowhere near the guy you once saw that went life and death with some of his past opponents.

    Point 6 – The public got smart and actually called for Mayweather to call for a Pacquiao fight. Did that happen with those other guys? No. Mayweather had no choice, but to enter negotiations he didn’t want to go into. Mayweather’s plan was to enter negotiations, make it seem like everything was going as planned, find something Pacquiao would balk at (like looking at what happened before the first Morales fight) and tarnish his name with that to back out of the fight so people like you would go right after him. To Mayweather’s credit, it’s working. You fell for it and certainly others have, but the boxing media is smart enough to call bull.

    Point 7 – Hey, if Pacquiao’s team throws Bayless or Tony Weeks out because they’re black, he deserves to be chastised for it. I would even concede he, or the one that wanted him out, is racist. As long as we’re on Bayless, it was Pacquiao’s team that requested him for the Cotto fight because he was a good referee. Now you have evidence that would contradict a Bayless replacement. I will be the first to criticize Pacquiao’s team with that should they kick Bayless or Weeks out because they’re black.

    Right…in all of the fighters I’ve mentioned, there’s been one instance of refusal of tests. Last year, Golden Boy, the people doing the negotiating for Mayweather and the guys that take an unidentified amount of Pacquiao’s checks every fight, refused blood tests for Shane Mosley when a proposed Mosley-Judah bout was talked about. Mosley, an admitted steroid user, was the guy Golden Boy refused tests for. All of a sudden, they’re adamant on testing? Other than that example, you’re right on there’s never been a history (as far as I know) of refusing to take tests, but only because there’s never been a history of unnecessary tests (Prove me wrong that blood testing is ABSOLUTELY necessary). Pacquiao didn’t even refuse blood testing. He negotiated for a compromise (what you do with anything on a fight contract). Pacquiao’s compromise doesn’t happen with an unnecessary (and one that isn’t required) test. Remember, this fight happens if 1.) Mayweather drops the blood testing entirely or 2.) Mayweather agrees to a compromise or 3.) The NSAC contradicts their own testing and goes by the Olympic-style drug testing. Two are on Mayweather and the third will never happen.

    Let me clarify my whole rationale here. This isn’t about me being a fan of Pacquiao. This is about me being pissed having to watch the last 6 years of Mayweather’s career plus two years of his retirement. He hasn’t taken a challenge since 2002 when he fought Castillo for a second time and NONE OF HIS FANS SEE THAT. He claims to be the best ever and the number 1 pound-for-pound boxer, but what the hell has he done to uphold his ranking? He has all the talent to be what he proclaims, but he doesn’t take the risks. He doesn’t fight the best and yet…people still preach his glory. Where’s the whole “God doesn’t want me to lose”? The “I can beat Pacquiao whether he’s on steroids or not”? Pathetic.

  • Floyd Pacquiao

    This is irresponsible journalist, it so biased. Your a mayweather fan obviously. Mayweather is a ganbanger with family history of coke dealing. Your articles should go to Perezhilton, cheap and very one sided. Mayweather is just scared to ruin his undefeated record, Pacman is a real boxing phenomenon whether you like it or not. Take that , biased NICK WONG, I’ll boycott u

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Rich: Honestly, I think we’re going around in circles here. You bring up one example, I counter with one, you counter with another. This could, theoretically, go on forever. I don’t think either of us have the time for that, though I will say, your extensive knowledge on the history of the sport has been very impressive. And trust me, I am just as critical about Mayweather’s career as I am with any other fighter. I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said and I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of his. My goal wasn’t to come off as one, just give my opinion on what’s going on. Either way, it was a pleasure debating with you. I learned quite a bit in the process.

  • Chicken Mayweather

    nice debate! but the author got PAWNED!

  • ThunderGatti

    Obviously, the author didn’t do any research on how PED works, that’s why he don’t understand that the 24-days-before-the-fight offer is already more than a compromise you could ask for a boxer.
    Beyond that, everything else are just reasons not to fight.

    It’s the job of NSAC anyway! And if a negotiating team got any issues with the existing tests, it’s the NSAC they should pressure.
    Otherwise, it’s just chickening out or you’re really accusing the other fighter of using PED’s.

    Weird thing about this whole fiasco started by Mayweather Sr is.. there are people who are buying it! Come on man, that was Mayweather Sr!

  • http://www.theboxingvoice.com BoxingFAN

    Hey, Mayweather won’t even face Miguel Cotto, Mosley, Clottey and Margarito. He has a clear record of ducking the best welterweights. Many has a clear record of fighting who Mayweather is ducking. Pacquiao is a real champion with a heart. Mayweather is clearly a fraud. Even a fight with De La Hoya doesn’t demand those drug tests. What a journalist you are for being a Mayweather fan. Hahaha! Mayweather will fight Malinaggi next. Another bunny champ, another handpicked low class opponents. Pacquiao will fight Clottey who Mayweather Ducks.Lolz.

  • floyot

    nice debates…hehe

    pacquiao – never proven as a user..

    mayweather has a history of using illegal drugs! (prohibited in 49 states of the US) including nevada make sense floyd didn’t want texas…

    check the link..

    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-20066-Pittsburgh-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2010m1d8-Floyd-Mayweather-the-one-using-banned-substances

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Hey ThunderGatti, how does “24days before the fight being more than a compromise” prove anything SCIENTIFIC about PEDs? Maybe if you had been reading through our debate, you’d see how it’s slipped through MANY times in boxing.

    Hey BoxingFAN, I find it funny that just because I question Pacquaio that it automatically makes me a Mayweather fan. It’s like saying, “Hey you don’t like Coke, you must like Pepsi.” Could it be that I don’t like either of them?

    Hey Chicken Mayweather, nice job riding in on Rich’s coattails. Try coming up with something original rather than misspelling a overused internet catch-phrase. Unless you were speaking of a chess move?

    Rich was a worthy opponent, but the conversation was going in circles, and really, I don’t get paid to write these article-length responses.

    And sorry fellas: http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6657.html

    PWNED!

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    And those of you that can’t seem to read coherently, listen up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cHRGUYlhcU

  • xpc42

    Rich Says: “Let me clarify my whole rationale here. This isn’t about me being a fan of Pacquiao. This is about me being pissed having to watch the last 6 years of Mayweather’s career plus two years of his retirement. He hasn’t taken a challenge since 2002 when he fought Castillo for a second time and NONE OF HIS FANS SEE THAT. He claims to be the best ever and the number 1 pound-for-pound boxer, but what the hell has he done to uphold his ranking? He has all the talent to be what he proclaims, but he doesn’t take the risks. He doesn’t fight the best and yet…people still preach his glory. Where’s the whole “God doesn’t want me to lose”? The “I can beat Pacquiao whether he’s on steroids or not”? Pathetic.”

    Author says: “Rich: Honestly, I think we’re going around in circles here. You bring up one example, I counter with one, you counter with another. This could, theoretically, go on forever. I don’t think either of us have the time for that, though I will say, your extensive knowledge on the history of the sport has been very impressive. And trust me, I am just as critical about Mayweather’s career as I am with any other fighter. I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said and I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of his. My goal wasn’t to come off as one, just give my opinion on what’s going on. Either way, it was a pleasure debating with you. I learned quite a bit in the process.”

    “nice debate! but the author got PAWNED!” – LOL

    To Mayweather: Just go back to retirement and establish a KFC (Kentucky Floyd “Greatest Ducker” Chicken) restaurant.

  • franz_mls

    first of all taking blood test after the fight wont make a difference from taking it after the fight. MP never mentioned he has a phobia w/ needles he said taking blood out of him close to the fight makes him feel uncomfortable and sometimes dizzy. I think this writer never even researched on this. Plain stupid

  • leo

    what a very biased article… useless time reading…
    the author got pwned and pretended he does not paid to make a comment…
    absolutely the author doesn’t know anything about urine and blood testing…
    better give your resignation letter early in the morning to your boss…
    your article sucks big time…

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist
  • jojo

    the fight is a money fight, not anything greater. if anything, all other things being attached to the fight are collectively there so that each fighter can be paid $25M. if floyd money wanted the money, he would have agreed to anything since he has nothing to fight on except reputation (of being the most boring undefeated boxer in history). manny is the current cash cow; he realizes that fighting floyd can bring in megabucks, so he doesn’t hedge at anything before the blood test (which is NOT a requirement in this kind of a fight). if floyd believed pacman is a user in the first place, floyd should have been saying that before. his father never mentioned about drugs before and after he trained hatton and even during cotto. floyd and golden boy dreamed up the precondition but to what end? fairness? or just a publicity / hype stunt gone haywire. unfortunately, floyd made it personal and the author is supporting this angle. maybe manny should sue you too for implying he was using drugs. i sincerely hope that the legal case filed by pacman be pursued to its end to teach boxers, trainers, fathers, opinion writers and authors who say irresponsible things and leave it at that. floyd sucks, ditto to the author.

  • wanderingFOOLgilist

    biased journalism… hahaha.. do a research first before making an argument.. how nice to see an author getting PAWNED!!.. hahahaha

  • Julius

    Hey Nick, you are so WOOOONG! I mean wrong. Have you ever heard of “Xylocaine?” It has been circulating around the web lately together with the the newest word in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary… DuckWeather.

    No wonder why team duckweather ignores a private jet plane ride to the Cowboys Stadium owner, Xylocaine is prohibited there. So, who uses prohibited drugs now?

    I heard that Pacquiao – Clottey fight will be held on the 13th as well (same date as the duckweather – bunnynaggi fight). PPV will speak for itself now.

    Once again, Mr. Nick WRONG, you are so WOOONG!

    Rich, you’re the man!

  • Julius

    Because of all the mess the duckweathers caused the boxing industry, suddenly the boxing organizations are reviewing their policies.

    When a boxer is introduced, their fight record will now be read as;

    WIN-LOSE-DRAW-DUCK;

    Duckweather should have a record of 40-0-0-40!

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    How does Mayweather duck 40 fighters he’s beaten?

  • urbandictionary

    Is pawned the new pwned?

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    apparently.

  • Bob

    This author should research something first about his article before he publish to the public. I never thought I could see such an author like him. I think this is the perfect time for you to pass your resignation paper to your good company.

  • Julius

    Hey Nick Wrong, I stand corrected man.

    DuckWeather’s record should be 40-0-0-5 (WIN-LOSE-DRAW-DUCK). In a span of three seconds, I can all those 5.

    And Bob is right! Why don’t you just hand over your resignation letter to your current employer and then send your resume to the company where you should be….(MayWeather’s Salon).

    And Rich, my main man, why don’t you just take over dick wong here!

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    What part of the article has “not been researched”? I’m seeing a lot of accusations without any examples.

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Julius: Quite ironic you call me Nick “Wrong” when you were off by a margin of 35 in your own poorly thought out and simple joke. But hey, it is only one letter away from my real name right?

  • http://www.thewanderingpugilist.com TheWanderingPugilist

    Right. Some 40 other fighters that coincidentally happen to be the exact same number as his wins. Sure.

    Plus, your admission of being wrong five posts later doesn’t really help the argument that you originally intended the “40″ to mean 40 different fighters.

    But keep trying sonny. This is kinda fun.

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          Well see now my last post doesn’t make any sense since Julius’ last comment was removed. Dag.

  • jasonb

    “Where there is smoke, there’s usually a fire.” Pacquiao has never been tested positive for drugs. So, there’s no smoke here! The only smoke here is the one created by Nick Wong. Through that smoke I could see clearly Nick Wong is anti-Pacquiao!

    I’m not a boxing afficionado but from what I understand Pacquiao’s refusal stems from his deep superstitious belief about giving blood close to the fight. He comes from a part of Asia where people hold on to their superstitious beliefs for life. Nevertheless, I have no doubt that the PacMan would abide by such rule if it was set forth by the boxing commission.

    The Mayweather’s camp to demand the Olympic style drug testing is, among other things, more symptomatic of the tendency of arrogant Americans to push around people from the Third World.

    So, who created the smoke again?

    • Julius

      I think it is the “wrong of all the wongs” created the smoke that eventually ignited the inner urge to get out of his closet. Way to go girl!

  • http://moneymayweather.info Floyd Mayweather Fan

    OK, it’s clear that lots of people think Pacquiao should just bend over backwards and let Floyd dictate everything to him. But obviously, he’s represented by probably the most powerful promoter (Top Rank) in boxing, and he’s unwilling to just let someone go on telling him what to do.

    Anyway, thanks for the effort you put into this site!